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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby Shopper X » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:44 pm

shiftyjedi wrote:However, anyone who watch a DVD after a Blu-ray notices and to a lot of people they care.
I have to admit, I don't really notice a difference between Blu-ray and regular DVD picture quality. Last year, after buying my new 32" television and new Blu-ray/DVD player on Black Friday, I was excited to watch a Blu-ray for the first time ever. However, I was disappointed to find that the experience wasn't noteworthy or significantly better than watching a regular DVD.

My theory of technology is that most people don't really feel the need to keep up with the leading edge. Instead, what motivates them to upgrade is the desire to stay one step ahead of the receding edge, to avoid being left behind. I didn't buy my new television because I was tired of my 27" CRT's picture (that's the television I replaced last year) or because I wanted to see an HD-quality picture. Instead, what made me upgrade was the realization that having a television with no HDMI inputs was an increasingly big liability (as I needed to buy a new DVD player to replace one that had stopped working).

I guess the upshot is that, if I didn't think about ditching my CRT television over the 7 years that HD content became available, I just don't think I would consider ditching a non-4K television when 4K content becomes available.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby lwmjr » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:07 am

A lot of it depends on the TV, the Element/Westinghouse TV, vs the Samsung/Sharp TV, is like comparing a chevette to a corvette.
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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby Vols44 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:54 am

Shopper X wrote:
shiftyjedi wrote:However, anyone who watch a DVD after a Blu-ray notices and to a lot of people they care.
I have to admit, I don't really notice a difference between Blu-ray and regular DVD picture quality. Last year, after buying my new 32" television and new Blu-ray/DVD player on Black Friday, I was excited to watch a Blu-ray for the first time ever. However, I was disappointed to find that the experience wasn't noteworthy or significantly better than watching a regular DVD.

My theory of technology is that most people don't really feel the need to keep up with the leading edge. Instead, what motivates them to upgrade is the desire to stay one step ahead of the receding edge, to avoid being left behind. I didn't buy my new television because I was tired of my 27" CRT's picture (that's the television I replaced last year) or because I wanted to see an HD-quality picture. Instead, what made me upgrade was the realization that having a television with no HDMI inputs was an increasingly big liability (as I needed to buy a new DVD player to replace one that had stopped working).

I guess the upshot is that, if I didn't think about ditching my CRT television over the 7 years that HD content became available, I just don't think I would consider ditching a non-4K television when 4K content becomes available.


Love the bolded quote. I inspect the back of the TV more than anything and plan ahead on whether a set will be multi use or a glorified picture frame. Front or side plugs, stand alone audio quality, viewing and distance angles, amount of HD channels available, third party warranty concerns and picture modes are the tip of my shopping iceberg.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby caravaggio » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:42 pm

Sometimes you can't tell the difference between bluray and dvd. But then there's stuff like the Disney and Pixar enhances and my last wow, the Star Trek TNG blurays...

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:28 pm

Deals I've seen so far on BF ads:

If you can get the Samsung UN75H6350 from Costco for $1960 as the store employee told me.. you should get it.
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I'd have to say the Wallpaper mode for the Sharp tv's is a cool feature.

Panasonic TC-55AS530U
- Best Buy $600.. not a bad deal, rated well on cnet. but only 2 HDMI.

Samsung UN55H6203AFXZA/UN60H6203AFXZA - only 2 HDMI ports and 60hz. I would not recc you get this.
- Walmart $600/$800
- Target na/800
- Sears $600/800
-Tiger Direct $600/800
Target and Sears and Tiger Direct list this as a 120hz tv. I'm not sure that is correct, as Samsung's own site says it's 60hz.

Samsung UN65HU8550FXZA ; a wicked TV that is miles above the others, and 4k too.
- Samsung pre-sale $2300 (Samsung link: http://www.samsung.com/us/shop/black-fr ... CEH-L/1/30)
- Costco - $2980
- PC Richard $2300
If you are gonna spent $1900 on another tv, 65-75in, you should spend $2300 and get this one.
Samsung UN55HU8550
- PC Richard $1500 (great price for a superior tv to other 55" models)

Sharp LC-70TQ15U (240hz, 4k)
- Best Buy $1800 (from $2300) - well rated on cnet.com (its a 3d tv and doesn't come with glasses). Otherwise good 4k picture.
But if you have your own surr sound system, buy the SQ model and save $ (http://www.cnet.com/products/sharp-lc-7 ... r-reviews/). However SQ model isn't on BF sale.

Samsung UN75H6350 (identical to UN75H6300 model)
cnet.com and user reviews say it has bad black lighting. I think this is a 2013 closeout, but its still a great TV
– Costco says $700 off of current price of @2680 (net = $1960)
You can compare this to other TVs at Costco, side by side, with real HD tv on it. I liked this more than the others
- Samsung pre-sale is $2000
- Sams Club $2000
- Tiger Direct $2000
- H.H. Gregg $2000
- PC Richard $2000
UN65H6300 (same as 6350 model)
- Costco $1640
UN65H6350
- Target $1700
- Tiger Direct $1200
- H.H. Gregg $1200
- PC Richard $1200
UN60H6350
- PC Richard $1000

Samsung UN65H7150 - 2013, no 4k, its edge-lit. I didnt see anything "amazing" about the reviews
- Best Buy $1500 (already $1600 online)
many of the outputs on the back of the unit are not recessed, that might be a problem for some who wish to wall mount this TV.
not great for side angle viewing, like most LED tvs.
- PC Richard $1500

Sony KDL70W830B
- Costco 1900

Sharp LC70LE650U
- Sears (Sears has the newer 660U model, $1450 (from $1600).. yes Sears)
Sharp LE65LE643U
- PC Richards $800

LG - haven't seen many sales on LG. While they are good tv's, I don't think they are as great as the others, hence the price.. e.g. LB5200, 60" for $800, 65" for $1000
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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:43 pm

I update the above message with the latest BF deals on what I have seen rated as the best TVs (not my personal ratings mind you).

You will notice just one of them is at Best Buy, but I wouldn't rate it as a "best buy".

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:49 am

Still holding out for Cyber Monday

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:02 pm

Cyber Monday pricing is the same as BF pricing. Don't see any new deals on large TVs.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby lwmjr » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:05 pm

blue3715 wrote:Still holding out for Cyber Monday

Don't need anymore TV's
But,
Pep Boys has 30% off of select tires today, and Merchants will price match them. Saved over $200 today.
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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:24 pm

lwmjr wrote:
blue3715 wrote:Still holding out for Cyber Monday

Don't need anymore TV's
But,
Pep Boys has 30% off of select tires today, and Merchants will price match them. Saved over $200 today.


I get tires from Costco.. they have lifetime warranty and repair.. whenever I get a flat/nail, they fix it for free. I even had one tire needing replacing, so they replaced 2 and rotated them as well, under warranty.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:49 pm

So I will be getting a TV this year. My rear projection TV has lasted 13 years and it has served me well. It is dying and the picture is suspect so I will be pulling the trigger this black friday.

I still don't buy the hype on 4k tvs, as most content is 1080p anyways, but some streaming content is now showing at 4k (amazon prime, youtube, netflix).. and cnet says the best non-4k picture quality is found on 4k tvs.

You need a big room, from the 4k calculator for a planned 70" tv, anyone sitting from 9'-13'8" from the TV won't be able to tell the diff between 4k and 1080. the pixels are too far away for the eye to discern... anyone who tells you differently you can just say:

"If I hold a teaspoon of mixed red/blue sand in my hand and stand 10 feet away from you, can you count just the red pixels? " The answer is no.

My room sits people from 9-18' from the (planned) tv, so most of the viewing should be happy with 1080p. The chart also is based on 20/20 vision. I happen to be 20/10, so I probably could benefit from the 4k content even at 12' away.

Seems cnet prefer two models, Vizio M and the Samsung JS series. I'll be keeping an eye out for those. I liked the UNJS8500 earlier in the year but it maxes out at 65".

Also good to keep in mind, my big TV pricing compilation posting from BF 2014.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:48 am

for 70"+

Samsung UN75J6300 - one of the best 1080P tv's out there. If you sit over 9 ft from the screen you won't benefit from 4k.
Sears - $1999 (from $2200)
HH Gregg - $1999

Sony 4k - XBR75X850C - also highly rated at rtings.com
HH gregg - $1999

Vizio E70 (this is the less rated E model, not the M model)
Walmart - $898 (from $1198)


Seems if you are ok with a 65", there are plenty of deals.

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby shiftyjedi » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:54 pm

blue3715 wrote:So I will be getting a TV this year. My rear projection TV has lasted 13 years and it has served me well. It is dying and the picture is suspect so I will be pulling the trigger this black friday.

I still don't buy the hype on 4k tvs, as most content is 1080p anyways, but some streaming content is now showing at 4k (amazon prime, youtube, netflix).. and cnet says the best non-4k picture quality is found on 4k tvs.

You need a big room, from the 4k calculator for a planned 70" tv, anyone sitting from 9'-13'8" from the TV won't be able to tell the diff between 4k and 1080. the pixels are too far away for the eye to discern... anyone who tells you differently you can just say:

"If I hold a teaspoon of mixed red/blue sand in my hand and stand 10 feet away from you, can you count just the red pixels? " The answer is no.

My room sits people from 9-18' from the (planned) tv, so most of the viewing should be happy with 1080p. The chart also is based on 20/20 vision. I happen to be 20/10, so I probably could benefit from the 4k content even at 12' away.

Seems cnet prefer two models, Vizio M and the Samsung JS series. I'll be keeping an eye out for those. I liked the UNJS8500 earlier in the year but it maxes out at 65".

Also good to keep in mind, my big TV pricing compilation posting from BF 2014.


Most people even at 50" can tell the difference, even more when they go back a step. It's all about sharpness and not so much the colors themselves. The theory's you talk about are generally held true, but people's eye's are really sensitive to edges of things. I can always tell when people cannot calibrate their TV properly, because they are going for the excessive sharpness when the product cannot get that sharp without looking unnatural. I admit the bigger you go the far more noticeable and the beauty of 4K starts shining through, and 65" and up sets are where 4K gets your attention. I would still pay the price difference between a 1080P starting at 55" even if I'm not experiencing the full 4K effect.
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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:23 pm

The 4k TV may have a better overall picture, as that's where mfctr's are spending their efforts, but your eyes cannot discern a 55" picture unless you are within 7 feet. Maybe 8-9 if you have great vision.

but in my room, our L couch goes from 12-18 feet from the tv, there is no benefit.

Amazon is about to lightning deal the 65" Samsung JU6400. Current price $1328

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Re: The big BIG TV debate

Postby blue3715 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:45 am

I almost choked myself last night. QVC was touting a 65" Samsung 4k curved tv for $2000. I called up to ask the model number, un65ju6700. They sold over 2000 of them too their stupid viewers. The tv can be gotten on Amazon or Best Buy for just $1400. But what a scam. They were saying how the curved screen was the greatest thing on earth.

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